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Thursday, October 06, 2005

From Islets to Islets, What Is the Verdict?

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One reason checking my e-mails on a regular basis has become a personal habit is because I always receive interesting, thought-provoking, highly regarding, and inspiring messages from friends, acquaintances, and even people I don't personally know. Add to that, I get to exchange thoughts and insights with people who share with me a similar passion in scrutinizing the beauty and ugliness of the world and analyzing the triviality and the complexity of humanity.

Until now there are moments when I would feel disbelievingly overwhelmed by the power of the Internet to connect minds from around the world. Because of it, I was able to begin an acquaintanceship with a Chinese, an Indonesian, a Peruvian, a Yugoslav; and this made me realize that—stripped of the barrier caused by language and of the biases effected by cultures, religions, and individual peculiarities—all human beings hold in their hearts a single penultimate aspiration: to be able to live respectably and in peace.

I always find inspiration in anything I read or hear.

Sometimes I would feel altogether amazed and amused to realize that my thoughts are not independent islands after all, but only among the countless islets that comprise the single archipelago that is humanity.

I'm beginning fully to accept that my ideas are not entirely singularly original after all, in the sense that many others share similar ideas—ideas which I once thought existed exclusively in my mind. But, don't get me wrong. Not because of the implication that nothing is entirely original that I would let my soul succumb to the human folly of plagiarism or directly copying others' ideas and then passing these as my own.

Letting oneself be influenced by another is passable, in fact, it's inevitable...

"All events have their antecedents. Nothing comes from nothing," wrote David B. Guralnik, a contemporary American lexicographer.

...but to copy another's ideas, more so, works especially of obscure individuals, writers, or artists; and passing these as one's own, and then trying to get away with it, thinking that the masses or the people at large will unnotice it because of the obscurity of the original and underestimating the capability of ordinary people to notice the folly is, for me, doubly immoral and wrong! You steal the works of another, and you fool the masses by letting them unknowingly patronize what you've stolen.

This is impassable! Unacceptable, if I may emphasize!

A poet's verses or a musician's melodies are his lifeblood. Steal them or use these without consent and you suck the life out of him or bleed him to death.

This is a copy of an e-mail I received today from a new acquaintance who share a similar passion for New Wave music:

Oct. 6, 2005

Hey aLfie!

How's it going? Do you want homework? ' didn't think so. :D But bear with me; this could be a nice topic for your blog site.

I don't know if you've already heard about it, but there is a little controversy concerning Orange and Lemons's song "Pinoy Ako [I'm Filipino]."

The band allegedly stole the melody of the song from Care's "Chandeliers." Predictably, they say they did not.

Now, I have noticed that they do borrow a little from the acts that may have influenced them; for example, Stone Temple Pilots, for "Hanggang Kailan [Until When]," and Violent Femmes, for "Strike whilst the Iron Is Hot." But, I don't hold it against them.

I've never heard "Chandeliers," so I cannot have an opinion. But perhaps you have and you do—being an Ian Broudie fan and all. And since you're a pro, perhaps you could render a verdict through your famous blog site.

Should you have a copy of the song I would appreciate it if you could throw an MP3 my way. I'm very intrigued.

Anyway, salamat ulit.

Best regards to Lolo.

All the best,
Steven

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Dear Steven,

So, only now that the Care ripoff has started to become a news. Guess what, I and fellow musicians and music enthusiasts who are members of the newwave101 yahoogroup had already discussed this ponderously several weeks ago.

The verdict of most of us? "Pinoy Ako" was indeed a ripoff. In fact, even some friends who are not that much into music, more so Alternative Rock, after listening to both songs, did not find difficulty in passing judgment: "Both did really sound uncannily alike."

We also exchanged posts with Orange and Lemons band members Mcoy and Clem who, predictably, didn't (and wouldn't) admit to a direct ripoff. They insisted that the similarity was an inevitable and subliminal influence, for they were listening heavily to Care's music during the period they were arranging "Pinoy Ako."

However, "plagiarism occurs whether there is intention to deceive or not."

My own verdict? As a fan of Care and as an enthusiast of Alternative Rock music for more than two decades now, I knew right away, upon first listen to the song in question, that it is not simply an accidental sound-alike of Care's "Chandeliers," but that it is in fact a direct ripoff of this—something which Orange and Lemons most likely thought would pass unnoticed because of Care's obscurity.

Will Orange and Lemons find themselves in a serious legal trouble because of it? They might, depending on the musical knowledge of the judge who will handle the possible case. Nevertheless, the band is standing by an excuse which states that "for a song to be considered a copy of another, the former must possess a succession of seven similar notes from the latter," or something like that. This particular article I found on the Internet, "What Is Melody?" by a songwriter named A-J Charon, gives a fairly simple explanation as regards how one can discern if plagiarism in music had indeed been committed. And, based on his illustration and my enough knowledge in music, a relatively large part of the melody and structure of "Pinoy Ako" is indeed a copy of that of "Chandeliers."

Orange and Lemons' graver folly, however, is not their copying of Care's "Chandeliers" and their attempt to get away with it but their seeming disrespect to the listening public, whom they have led to believe that "Pinoy Ako" is an original. Another irony is that the song's lyric preaches about Filipino originality, pride, and ingenuity; thus the song mocks the very essence of these qualities.

The situation could have been better handled by the band by simply acknowledging that the song was a modified Filipino translation of "Chandeliers." In the first place, they should have asked permission from BMG-Pilipinas, who owns the local distribution rights of Care's music, and credited Paul Simpson and Ian Broudie of Care as composers. Yet, again, the ripoff has been done.

Furthermore, OnL, in their current interviews on print media, strongly insist that they are innocent. Although, this proves inconsistent with what they have been admitting on some Internet-based fora.

Will I still listen to "Pinoy Ako" and to the rest of Orange and Lemons' songs? Do I listen to ripped-off songs and to bands who have committed a ripoff?

Yes.

Any piece of music is, in the end, remains a piece of music worthy of appreciation. I may listen to such songs especially if I generally like the musical style of the band, but I will never spend my precious money for an original copy of their releases.

Will Orange and Lemons win this battle?

Yes and no.

Considering the many heinous and graver crimes committed in the world today, music plagiarism like this becomes too trivial to be taken to court. Therefore, legally they will elude this case, get away with it, and retain their loyal fanbase. But, essentially speaking, the band has lost the respect of people who truly value creativity and originality, who regard music as sacred, and who believe in musician's integrity. It's now up to Orange and Lemons which is more gratifying. It is now up to the listeners which is more satisfying.

What does profit an artist if she gains fans and melodies but loses her originality and credibility?

Can they still regain the lost respect? Why not? As long as they'd ultimately and responsibly acknowledge their blunder, and regard this as a lesson—in fact, a lesson not only for them but also for other bands and artists who had ripped off in the past and who are thinking of ripping off another obscure victim: That in our currently interconnected world, blunderers can no longer get away with their follies. Besides, History has its way of documenting such, with Time acting as the penultimate judge.

"Common souls pay with what they do; nobler souls with that which they are," declared Ralph Waldo Emerson.

In fairness to them, Orange and Lemons seem to be a talented lot. I'd already seen them perform live. I listen regularly to my MP3 copies of their songs. In fact, being a musician myself belonging to the same musical circle to which they belong, I am acquaintances with Orange and Lemons members Mcoy and Clem. Members of BTTE ("back to the edge") yahoogroup, we exchange e-mails once in a while. And with the way I sense their personalities, I'm certain that, in the midst of this folly and controversy, they will decide to clean up their act to be able to rise no longer tainted and unashamed; and this time, clothed in integrity and armed with originality. Let's pray to each of our own deities that on their third album we may find music which we can regard really their own. Now, that's what I would be calling Filipino pride. But until then, so long as they don't admit to their foolery, the artist and critic in me remains inconsolable.

That was my verdict. What's yours?

Listen to both songs by clicking each of the song titles below, and judge for yourself. I would love to "hear" your thoughts.

Care - "Chandeliers"
Orange and Lemons - "Pinoy Ako"


Care was an Alternative Rock band formed by Paul Simpson and Ian Broudie in 1983 in Liverpool, England. The duo released a string of singles in the '80s but soon broke up without producing an album. Their brilliant songs, which include "Whatever Possessed You," "Flaming Sword," "My Boyish Days," and "Chandeliers," were compiled and released posthumously as the album Diamonds and Emeralds (1997, BMG).


Paul Simpson, inbetween Care's activity, was the vocalist of another classic English band, The Wild Swans, whose popular songs include "Bringing Home the Ashes" and "Whirlpool Heart," from the album Bringing Home the Ashes (1988); and "Immaculate" and "Melting Blue Delicious," from the album Space Flower (1990). Currently, Simpson uses the moniker Skyray, who recently released the album Liquid Crystal Display (2005).


Ian Broudie, on the other hand, became more successful after consequently forming The Lightning Seeds in the late '80s, releasing a string of albums which spawned hit singles like "Pure," "Life of Riley," "Three Lions," and "Life's Too Short." Gone solo, Broudie released his first album, Tales Told, in 2004.


Orange and Lemons is a contemporary Filipino Alternative Rock band formed in 2003 in Bulacan, Philippines. They released their first album, Love in the Land of Rubber Shoes and Dirty Ice Cream, in the same year; following it up with Strike whilst the Iron Is Hot (2005). Their hit singles include "Hanggang Kailan [Until When]," "Just like a Splendid Love Song," and "Pinoy Ako [I'm Filipino]," which is included in the official soundtrack of Pinoy Big Brother, Philippines' franchised version of the currently internationally-popular reality TV show Big Brother, the concept of which was derived from George Orwell's 1949 novel Nineteen Eighty-four.

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And then some more...let your ears be the judge. I'm unsure whether these artists had properly credited the originators.

Filipino Alternative Rock bands versus their foreign influences:

# Eraserheads - "Alapaap" (1994) vs. [American] The Lemonheads - "It's a Shame about Ray" (1992) and [English] The Pale Fountains - "Reach" (1984)

# True Faith - "Shotgun Baby Bang Bang" vs. [English] The Railway Children - "Another Town" (1987)

# Orient Pearl - "Babaeng Sorbetes" (1994) vs. [Scottish] Lloyd Cole & the Commotions - "Ice Cream Girl" (1990)

# Sheila & the Insects - "Will" (2000) vs. [English] 1000 Violins - "Halcyon Days" (1988)

# Soapdish - "Ewan Ko" (2005) vs. [Swedish] Popsicle - "Histrionics" (1994) vs. [English] Arkarna - "So Little Time" (1997)

# Orange and Lemons - "A Beginning of Something" (2003) vs. [English] The Housemartins - "Happy Hour" (1986)

Disclaimer: Despite these blunders, the rest of the musical works of each of the Filipino bands featured on this blog site for evaluation purposes are still worthy of our appreciation and consideration. For, in the end, any piece of music remains a piece of music. However, appreciation is different from admiration. I may still appreciate their music, but this doesn't mean I automatically admire and respect them.

Without integrity there is no respect. Without acknowledgment, admittance, and remorse there should be no forgiveness.

However, don't lose heart and pride in Filipino originality and ingenuity because there are still a lot of Filipino Rock bands whose music is devoid of blatantly direct derivation. Now those, to me, are what I regard not just pieces of music but masterpieces!

46 Comments:

  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 8:41:00 AM, Blogger leidivine said…

    Very Powerful Article.
    I like the research you put into all your articles, eLf.
    It's kind of "addicting" in a way...
    The precious time you spend writing is both enviable and inspirational to be exact.

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 6:31:00 PM, Anonymous rose said…

    i read about that here
    http://www.mb.com.ph/ENTR2005100545993.html
    but since i dont have tha chandelier song. pero i have the boysdays nila kaya di ko pa naririnig yung song na yun

    jsut nowlang nanakapost dito!
    its similar though///hehe

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 6:33:00 PM, Anonymous rose said…

    meron ak nyan... Whatever Possessed You

    tsaka yung boyish days hhee!

    lam mo ang hirap hanapin sa peer 2 peer yang the care! Rare talga! have aniceweekend

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 9:36:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    halu alfie. umabot na rin pala sa iyo yang isyu re Pinoy Ako.

    since i work in ABS, i immediately informed one of the directors of the network about the controversy when i first heard about it last week. i also sent him the file of The Care's song and let him judge.

    Naloka sila when they heard it. Kasi umpisa pa lang, it was obvious na gaya talaga.

    To think na sumikat and OnL dahil sa song na iyan, tapos, di pala original.

    I read somewhere na kinulang daw kasi sila ng oras, kaya ginamit na lang nila iyong into ng Chandelier. I'm not sure if it's true, nabasa ko lang sa isa sa mga online forum na pinupuntahan ko.

    Neweys, iyun lang...

    -noreen

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 10:31:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Lei,
    Thanks! It works the same way...I mean, most of what I write are borne out of the inspiration I get from anything I read or hear; the reason most of the times I find difficulty in choosing what to write first.

    Regarding my "reasearches"--I give great credit to my having worked as an editor of scholastic books and magazines at Diwa Scholastic Press. I developed the habit of backing up whatever I write with reliable sources and references.

    Malaki naitulong dito sa area na ito yung boss ko nuon sa Diwa na pinahirapan talaga kami. Mahilig mang-bluff. Kaya pag hindi ka sigurado with your facts e yari ka sa kanya.

    Lastly, I remember what I used to say to my fellow editors back then: We can avoid blunders by not underestimating our readers.

    nleze

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 10:35:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Rose,
    Yeah, I read that Manila Bulletin news article about the case. And what Clem said in the ending part of the article pissed me off big time.

    Oh well, perhaps I'm a bit affected because I'm someone who value originality and integrity as sacred traits.

    Besides, mas malaki kasi epekto ng ganyang controversies sa abroad. This is the reason I strive hard, in my own little way, to balance the equation by offering on my blog site my ponderous analysis on such things.

    kyokljfp

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 10:41:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Rose again,

    Yup, most New Wave music enthusiasts regard Care as obscure, obviously because they disbanded even before they were able to release an album.

    As I wrote about the band on my blog site, Care's songs were released posthumously in 1997. Way back, fans rely on vinyls and singles.

    Kaya sabi nga nung isang New Waver friend ko, kaya kawalang-respeto talaga sa Care kasi inabot ng ilang taon para lang ma-release ang album nila tapos e gagayahin lang nang walang pahintulot at tamang pagbanggit sa credits ng compilation album kung saan kasama ang "Pinoy Ako."

    May kopya ka na ng "Chandeliers." I sent you a while ago.

    akhlwr

     
  • At Friday, October 07, 2005 10:52:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Noreen,
    If not for my fellow New Wave diehards na member ng newwave101 yahoogroup e matagal na akong hindi updated sa music scene d'yan.

    Dahil sa kanila e alam ko pa rin ang mga releases ng banda. Marami ding nagpapadala sa akin ng copies ng albums. Hehehe.

    Sabi sa 'yo e, not to underestimate those who are not heavily into Alternative Rock music, pero kahit ordinaryong music listener e sasabihin talaga na pareho yung dalawang kanta.

    ABS-CBN ka nga pala. OnL e under Star Records na owned rin ng ABS, right? Hehehe. Pati 'Pinoy Big Brother' e under din sa ABS, di ba?

    Yung nabasa mo na kinulang sa oras kaya ginamit na lang yung kanta ng Care, tutuo 'yan. Member din kasi si Mcoy at Clem na members ng OnL sa BTTE (music) yahoogroup. At kapalitan namin silang dalawa about the issue. 'yan nga ang mga sagot ni Clem at Mcoy. Inamin naman nila sa forum na ibinigay sa kanila yung lyric then pinagawan ng melody, under time pressure; tapos care ang araw-araw daw nilang pinapakinggan during that time...kaya ayun! Hehehe.

    Naalala ko tuloy si Kill Bill. Hehehe. Hinayaan si Choy na panay lifted articles dahil "kulang na sa oras," tapos tayo e magkamali lang ng tuldok e murado na. Hahaha!

    Ba't nga ba ako apektado masyado? Hmm. Wala lang, hehe. Kasi kung walang magtyatyaga na bumusisi ng mga ganyan e paulit-ulit na mangyayari. Besides, musician din ako kaya malaki ang pagtingin ko sa originality.

    Lekat! Isang blog entry na 'to ah. Hahaha!

    zqmgiff

     
  • At Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hi elf,

    galing ng entry na ito. ibang level.

    butch

     
  • At Monday, October 10, 2005 4:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Alf, nice read ... if you have the 2nd album of OnL and spare time, just compare track no.9 (caught in line...ata title) with The Smiths Headmaster Ritual, ikaw na bahala humusga...
    Then you may include it sa list mo to justify na trabaho talaga nila mag-ripoff.

     
  • At Monday, October 10, 2005 7:32:00 AM, Blogger vayie said…

    "I always find inspiration in anything I read..."

    ~Wow! Even my gibberish thoughts at my blog, I suppose.

    But seriously, eLf, huwag naman sanang ikalaki ng ulo mo, ang galing mo!!! did you ever figure out the comparison??? Whew!

     
  • At Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:28:00 PM, Anonymous giselle said…

    Paul Simpson has become a very good friend all through the years just like Jerry Kelly with me and Alfie....

    This is a sad affair not only for Paul but to the entire filipino community since the putative song in question has been flagrantly plagiarized.

    If the song were about feelings, emotions, topics of the day then maybe some or if not, most would have felt they could have let it slide except those who are personally involved. However, this song talks about the modern filipino, as of what PBB depicts, maybe its modern lifestyle...

    This song, has become quite an anthem to the simple and ordinary filipino because they found pride in it and they somehow see themselves in it that they are top class and can compete with the global changes the world has to offer.

    In this regard, for those that defend or support ONL or for those whose dreams were shattered and are in denial then basing things on an academician's point of view....allegedly, they did not violate the 7 chord progression rule regarding plagiarism.

    I hate to burst the bubble but the 7 chord progression rule, in landmark cases decided by foreign courts under the Intellectual Property Rights which have been in actual existence post or pre-world war 1, this is a flimsy defense since the pattern could be changed anytime by a fret or a half-note on the seventh note.

    Presently, under the 8 chord progression based on the drum and baseline, if the song or composition in question fails to change at the 8th base and drum progression then it is a vital requisite to be considered as a plagiarized material not discounting the facts of testimonies of credible witnesses and "scholars" to that effect.

    This is what admittedly happened during the course of this song.

    The worse part in this case is for the band to not give credence to where the song was allegedly "inspired" from so as the real composers would be deprived of their royalties and their dignity.

    Mind you, it's not only our dignity and credibility as a songwriter that is in question but our respect to other's intellectual property rights as well.

    Cueshe, Session Road etc. may not be getting much attention because their songs dealt with corporeal, if not, things which do not appeal to a filipino's sense of patriotism. However, ONL's song just hit the x on the spot because it appeals to filipino pride in general.

    skyray is love,
    Giselle

     
  • At Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:46:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Butch,
    Thanks for fluttering by.

    And, oh, by the way, how's it going for you there back home?

    Sigurado pagbalik mo ng US e feeling mo bitin na bitin yung vacation mo. Hehehe.

    cdubgafl

     
  • At Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:48:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Anonymous,
    Yes, I've also read about that comparison over the nw101 yahoogroup.

    I'll check that song out. I have almost all the albums of The Smiths, and 'Meat Is Murder' is amongst my favorites.

    quacw

     
  • At Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:53:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Vayie,
    Of course, even from your blog site I sometimes get many bits of inspiration.

    The writer and the reader are the essence of each other. They inspire each other.

    "Huwag naman sanang ikalaki ng ulo mo..."

    Worry not, my friend. Remarks like that make me all the more humble. They keep my head clear and my feet on the ground.

    I've long passed the stage of showing off. Of course, I'd done that in the past. Now, I would like to believe that I write no longer to impress but simply to express.

    frzxb

     
  • At Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:55:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Giselle,
    Such an enlightening expression.

    Thank you very much for your continuous support.

    I very well remember the night you interviewed me for Pulp magazine at Klub102 in Makati, the year I left.

    By the way, where're my copies of Pulp? Hehehe. You may give them through Ramil.

    tmjqyngn

     
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    Uma Yes, Mam,
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    Director Dyogi As what Ms. Tan said a while
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    Ms. Liggit Tan Yes we are working for that.
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    UMA and CASS Yes Mam!!

    Ms. Linggit Tan OK na? heres the money
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    CASS Thank you po!!!

    Director Dyogi CASS, UMA, basta pag nomination
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    Sources (MS. Carol E, Mr. Pablito B and MAY)

    Ito ang pambusal nila sa kapalpakan na nangyari sa penoy eheste pinoy ako.

     
  • At Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:30:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm just wondering. What about Parokya ni Edgar? Their first album was all rip off from different foreign bands, right? I know that it's all for fun and it was a deliberate rip off I guess pero we didn't see that as "unoriginality" in their side. Instead, we even see it as a comical, creative way of expressing music. Is that double standard or PnE's case is just a whole different situation?

    herhayness@gmail.com

     
  • At Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:28:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Plagiarism--in art, letters, or music--is a person's act of copying [intentionally or not] the work of another and then passing this as her own.

    There, the 'key' is: "passing the copied work as her own."

    Using this guideline, OnL's case is a bit different from PnE's.

    OnL, to this day, is consistent in denying that they copied "Chandeliers" despite the obvious similarity of the two songs; in effect, insisting to pass "Pinoy Ako" as their own. Therefore, they are plagiarists--of an unremorseful kind!

    Many of the works of PnE, on the other hand, are we may call 'parodies,' which are not a form of plagiarism. As long as they ask a permission from and credit the originators of the songs they had parodied, doing such is okay.

    A parody is a satirical, often comedic adaptation of another's work. Usually, the parodist retains the instrumental component of the song and just change the song's lyric. Other popular examples of parodists in music include Weird Al Yankovic and Vincent Dafalong.

    A parody is not a rip off, in the sense that the main purpose of the parodist is NOT to claim the song as her own BUT to make an obvious comedic version of it.

    But discussing about ORIGINALITY is another topic of its own.

    I mean, both OnL and PnE fail in the area of originality. But this is another matter.

    Personally, as I clarified in this particular blog entry of mine, I may still appreciate ripoffs or parodies, but I don't and can never admire and have a high regard for so-called artists who lack originality and borrow too much from the art of others.

    wqpvhvsu

     
  • At Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:37:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    PS:
    You said that you "didn't see that as 'unoriginality'" on their part. Perhaps, you're pertaining to 'creativity.'

    Originality and creativity are two different qualities.

    PnE is undoubtedly oozing with creativity, yes, true; but they evidently lack originality.

    But, don't get me wrong. I don't have anything against these bands. In fact, I listen also to their music. I'm just offering my ideas as a critic with a positive purpose.

    oapkby

     
  • At Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Oh yeah, you're right. Parodies. Damn, I missed that.

    Originality and creativity. How very imprecise of me to interchange two different words.

    Anyway, thanks.

     
  • At Monday, October 31, 2005 12:21:00 PM, Anonymous archie said…

    Ito ang poste ni Clem Castro sa egroup nila sa orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com….thread 8701!

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    hahahahahah! i expected that reaction eric. it’s true that it was
    inspired by the care’s diamonds and emeralds and chandeliers. i won’t
    deny it. what you heard in gweilos was a very rough version. here’s
    the story behind that song:

    July 22 — i receive a notice that Star Records will commission us to
    do a remake of Big Brother Soundtrack (western version). The song was
    ok so we agreed to do it.

    July 25 — another notice saying that star records prefers a tagalog
    version and that the deadline for the final master would be july 31.

    July 26 — i received the lyrics from jonathan manalo and decided
    against adapting the original soundtrack coz i personally felt it wont
    work. so i came up with a new melody line. at that time my playlist
    includes Diamonds and Emeralds album hence the inspiration and
    adaptation not minding if abs cbn would like our version.

    July 29 — i presented the music to star records and guess what they
    dig our version.

    July 30 & 31 — proper recording in the studio.

    Aug 1 — submission of final master

    Aug 2 — Video Shoot of the Song Pinoy Ako.

    As you see that song is a product of pressure. and i only did what
    came naturally to me with regards to the music. the end result was
    very favorable to us. i personally like it and proud of it. And for
    you to fully scrutinize the song i’m gonna upload it in the file
    section. No worries about lawsuits, im sure the care wouldn’t mind.
    our guitar and banduria intro notes are way different from chandeliers
    and as for the melody line we never exceeded the 7 note rule. this
    version has a clear pinoy taste if i may say so and injected our
    originality in it. but i would appreciate any further comments from
    you mate.

    Pinoy Ako! haha!

    — In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, “eric76_salvador”
    wrote:
    > Its the first time I heard the song last night at Gweilo’s Makati. I
    > thought the band was joking around because after they announced the
    > next song as the PBB song, they played the intro to
    > Care’s “Chandeliers”. When Mcoy sang in Tagalog, that’s when I
    realised
    > that its a different song.
    >
    > I was going to sing “Your eyes are chandeliers..” sana e. Langya,
    > plakadong-plakado yung song!Dedemanda kayo ng Care nyan hahahaha!
    >
    > eric

    NATUWA PA ANG MGA GAGO KASI MGA POSER!

    eto pa, message 9251 thread:

    From: “cranehead”
    Date: Sat Sep 3, 2005 5:45 am
    Subject: [orange and lemons] Re: OnL’s Pinoy Big Bro song reminds me of The Care. (to colourfield) cranehead
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    Salamat Eric, my intention of making that particular song sound
    Carish has received a lot of both positive and negative feedbacks.
    but has served my purpose. Now many are wondering who the
    hell “Care” is. You might like to give a few inputs mate about them
    and their works or if you have previous reviews of their songs and
    album. Whoever is really making the music for the Care songs I
    respect and love so much just like the level of enthusiasm i had for
    Morrissey’s lyricism/performance and Johnny Marr’s music.

    don’t worry eric, just like you, i’m neither one of them…

    Clem

    “I want the one I can’t have, and it’s driving me mad…”

    — In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, “Eric Salvador”
    wrote:
    > bro. colourfield,
    >
    > Hope you’ve come to a decision to buy OnL albums upon hearing
    their songs. I think you’re also into new wave like some of the
    members here. If so, I’m sure you’ll enjoy OnL albums.
    >
    > Regarding the Pinoy Big Brother song, well, there’s this 7 note
    rule pala when it comes to songs. If you reach the 7th note sounding
    like another song then you’re ripping off the work of another
    artist. I don’t think Pinoy Ako reached that 7th note limit though,
    but I can also understand the reaction people have over the song.
    >
    > Anyway, its quite evident that OnL have a penchant for writing
    astounding original music on their own based on the albums they’ve
    come out with. I hope that with those merits, palampasin na lang ito
    ng iba’ng tao.
    >
    > Tutal, Pinoy Ako, is a great song, and if I we’re Simpson or
    Broudie, I’ll be flattered with it. Sadly though, I’m neither one of
    them.
    >
    > eric

    Oh ano?! Di ba? di ba clem ikaw yan? May hell ka pang alam! Burn in it pare! Sama ka diyan Eric Salvador alyas eric76_salvador@yahoo.com o eric.salvador@toyota.com.ph. Ma litson ka sana. Ang kwento ng dalawang bolerang bakla sa ONL egroup say yahoo egroups.


    Eto pa! Ngayon, ano ang masasabi ninyo?

    From: orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com
    > [mailto:orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of colourfield169
    > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:43 AM
    > To: orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [orange and lemons] Re: OnL’s Pinoy Big Bro song reminds
    me of
    > The Care.
    >
    >
    > Yup, the band could expect these reactions from people who are
    > familiar with Ian Broudie’s and Paul Simpson’s work (mga new wave
    > generation). Sa unang dinig kasi talaga ng Pinoy Ako, ay mukha
    > syang parehong-pareho sa Chandelier.
    >
    > But if you would play the two songs, particularly the two intros,
    > one after the other, syempre richer ang tunog ng Chandelier, pero
    > iba nga notes sequence ng Pinoy Ako tulad ng sabi ni Clem,
    although
    > mukhang same chords. May differences din sa melody line. Yung
    bass
    > sequence at drums lang ang sa dinig ko ay pareho.
    >
    > But what could you expect nga naman kasi hora-horada kung
    > magpacommission ng work itong Star Records para sa theme song ng
    PBB.
    >
    > New here nga pala, just joined to check mp3 samplers and decide
    > whether to buy OnL’s CDs or not.
    >
    >

    Halatang wala na ngang alam sa music yung nakadinig eh NAHALATA PA KAYO?!


    Ito ang sabi nila naman sa inquirer:

    “We have no malicious intent,” says vocalist
    and guitarist Clem Castro. “In fact, we’re not even
    aware that such songs already exist.”

    Ha? Eto o, bistado na kayo po! Inamin, binawi, binawi, binawi. ano ito, eat bulaga?


    Huli na lang ito para sa mga dudero at dudera at sa mga may matang bukas ngunit walang nakikita at sa mga nakakarinig na nagbibibingibingihan!

    From: sancho
    > > > Date: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:24 am
    > > > Subject: Re: [eraserheads] pinoy pinoy tayo…be
    the judge!
    > > >
    > > > To lay all doubts to rest, here’s an mp3 file na
    comparison
    ng
    > Pinoy Ako and
    > > > Chandeliers. On the right speaker, you’ll hear
    Chandeliers,
    on
    > the left is
    > > > Orange & Lemons supposedly original composition.
    Best
    heard on
    > your
    > > > headphones. Wattashame!
    > > >
    > > > http://www.4shared.com/dir/100649/ac4043f0
    > > >
    > > > — snip –
    > > >
    > > > i attached the mp3 file - sa mga naka web mode,
    you can
    download
    > the mp3 at
    > > > http://www.4shared.com/dir/100649/ac4043f0
    >

    Mabuhay kayong lahat at kunin na ni Lord!

    MATAKOT KAYONG MAGING MIYEMBRO NG EGROUP NILA KASI KUNG SABIHIN NINYO NA PAREHO TALAGA EH KAKATAYIN KAYO NITONG MGA BAKLA NA ITO, ERIC SALVADOR, SIDNEY PRESCOTT ALIAS BRYAN, yung bakla na ayaw magpakilala sa email na i”m_your_papi38@yahoo.com.

    Kayo rin!

    Oh, di pa kayo pagod? Eto pa ang sinabi ni eric salvador, ang tinitingalang new wave guru ng Orange and Lemons, thread 10883.

    From: “Eric Salvador”
    Date: Wed Oct 12, 2005  3:39 pm
    Subject: RE: [orange and lemons] about their case? RESPECT THE BANDS! Part 1 eric.salvador@…
    Send Email

    …continued…

    I don’t think OnL’s “mistake” was made from the copying of that Care song, the
    mistake lies on the notion they’ve given to the masses that it was indeed an
    original song…a song that was entirely their own. Siguro kung noong una pa,
    openly they admitted that the song was based on a foreign song and that parts
    were copied from it, wala’ng ganito’ng issue. Tapos agad ito. Anyways, OnL is
    still relatively new to the biz. In my opinion, OnL is still capable of rising
    from this mess. They are talented artists with brilliant songwriting abilities.
    “Pinoy Ako” is just a one-off. Sabi nga ni Clem sa akin, “hindi na mauulit yun”
    with a bit of wry smile on his face. At times, sa basketball, me off-night ang
    star player…ganito din ang kaso ngayon.

    Crab Mentality. I guess I used these words in defense of the band’s previous
    works na na-discredit dahil lang sa “Pinoy Ako” song. Unfair kasi yun. Ang
    gumagawa lang ng ganun, mga utak-talangka talaga. But I won’t use this crab
    mentality as an excuse for “borrowing” parts of a song. It doesn’t justify the
    issue.

    We talk about respecting the band…Oh, I’m all for that guys. Kaya nga ako
    nag-rereact eh. Because I respect the band so much. Hindi na tayo iba sa OnL mga
    tol, let them hear what they have to hear, positive man o negative. Also, I
    respect bands who create original music….isa na dun ang OnL…isa na dun ang
    CARE. IF some of you guys somehow try to convince yourselves na okay lang
    kumopya ng kanta, well, I can’t argue with you on that. That’s your opinion. Sa
    akin, the least a band can do is to acknowledge immediately and openly the band
    and the song where their song was based. Wag nang intayin pang me makapuna, bago
    aminin. Ang dating kasi eh OnL held back info and “fooled” people into thinking
    that “Pinoy Ako” was entirely theirs, tapos lalabas ang issue at MP3’s ng
    Chandeliers…further proof na its more than just influence…me parts talaga na
    same, drum beat, melody etc.

    Question: How would you feel if a certain band “copies” an OnL song? Of course
    not entirely, pero obvious ang melody, chord pattern at beat? Would you still
    say, “so what?”. Nah, didn’t think so.

    Can they get out of this mess? Like I said earlier, why not? I’m sure that when
    the third album (o baka nga third single) is released next year, they will be
    able to prove their critics wrong. Real critics know when they are right and are
    open to anything. Hindi sarado ang utak. OnL, with their wealth of talent in
    songwriting and musicianship will easily dispel the ugly myth.

    I wasn’t pissed-off really. just disappointed. And if somebody tells me not to
    be in this forum because I feel that way about the song…well…tsk tsk…talk
    about open-minds and respect.

    My two cents.

    eric

    Putang ina mo eric salvador! Gusto mo ba ng phone pall? Di kahit ikaw eh inaamin mo rin! Di ba? Ikaw ang nagsulat niyan di ba?

    “I don’t think OnL’s “mistake” was made from the copying of that Care song, the
    mistake lies on the notion they’ve given to the masses that it was indeed an
    original song…a song that was entirely their own. Siguro kung noong una pa,
    openly they admitted that the song was based on a foreign song and that parts
    were copied from it, wala’ng ganito’ng issue. Tapos agad ito.”

     
  • At Monday, October 31, 2005 2:56:00 PM, Anonymous archie said…

    Music writer blows whistle against Orange and Lemons
       
    By KAYE VILLAGOMEZ
    The sore truth is that pop band Orange and Lemons ripped-off "Chandeliers" by ?80s duo The Care and used the melody for "Pinoy Ako" according to music correspondent Giselle Roque who beseeched Manila Bulletin after she read an article this broadsheet published last Oct. 5.

    "When I was posting e?mails that certain artists did not ask permission [from The Care] and copied ?Chandeliers, I did not mention Orange and Lemons. But they were the ones who reacted and posted their own defense in turn so that was the time that established na kinopya nila talaga yung kanta," Roque, who is also the niece of rock icon Sampaguita added.

    "?We did make it Carish? went Orange and Lemons ?admission? and they have the guts to say that these are two different songs?" pointed out Roque, who is a friend of Paul Simpson, who wrote and sang "Chandeliers" for the album "Diamonds and Emeralds."

    The other half of The Care duo is Ian Broudie. "Chandeliers" was credited to Broudie/Simpson, like the rest of the songs in the said album, published under Warner Chappell, Ltd. The Care, which was formed in 1983, was most noted for the singles "My Boyish Days," "Flaming Sword," and "Whatever Possessed You."

    Roque disclosed to the Bulletin that she could not believe it when Orange and Lemons posted on an e-group mail she received that they were just waiting to be noticed by Simpson and his camp. "They said, At last, this is just what they?ve been waiting for to get noticed. They also said that at least now, people are researching The Cares music. My point is how could people research it if you don?t acknowledge that you got the song from The Care? Ang isinagot ni Clem (Castro of Orange and Lemons) ?E bakit kami magpapaalam? Magpasalamat pa nga ang The Care at pinasikat namin ang kanta nila. It was really frustrating. They even wrote, Do we have to find people who are avid fans of The Care and ask permission from them? Well, if they?d ask me, they didn?t have to track down Care fans, only the person who wrote the song they ripped?off."

    She further revealed that "Orange and Lemons said that they were pressured and did not know what else to do. Since they were listening to The Care, to that effect, they decided na puwede ang Chandeliers. I have the e?mail from Orange and Lemons to prove this including the time line explaining they had to rush the song because ABS-CBN gave them barely a week to do it and record the video for Pinoy Ako."

    The said ?time line,? Roque gathered, came up when earlier queries were thrown against the band in certain e?groups both Orange and Lemons and Roque belong to.

    She continued, "At that time they were commissioned to do the melody of the song, they were listening to The Care and thought that it?s some sort of natural tendency to come out with something that sounds like but I?ve heard of ?Pinoy Ako? and that?s not katunog. When I heard on board a bus, I was almost sure that ?Chandelier?s? lyrics are next after the intro so you could just imagine the shock when Tagalog lyrics settled in! I was like ?Oh my God! What is this?? I didn?t know who ripped the song off that time but same thing, I thought ?This is very sad. This is very frustrating.? Then, somebody from the States e?mailed me that they saw it on ABS?CBN?s ?Big Brother.?"

    Meanwhile, ABS?CBN?s official statement on the issue was: "ABS-CBN commissioned Orange and Lemons to compose the music, arrange and perform an original song, ?Pinoy Ako,? as the theme of ?Pinoy Big Brother.? Any inquiry with regard to this matter should be addressed to the band and Universal Records (Orange and Lemons music label)."

    A staunch believer of Indie musicians and OPM, Roque was prompted to come out after she read the band?s denial in the Bulletin, which she described, "Dumbfounding. How could they (Orange and Lemons) deny they copied the song when I have all the e?mails to prove them wrong?" noted Roque who has been a music writer for Pulp music magazine since 2003.

    Paul Simpson happened to be in constant correspondence with Roque "and as a friend of Paul, it?s unfair for Orange and Lemons to rip-off his song without asking for Paul?s permission. They know very well that I can relay the message for them; instead they apologized to me saying ?apologies to ma?am Giselle;? and that they?re sorry if it caused me sleepless nights, that they are willing to treat me out for coffee?which I felt was very insulting?and the best part is that they said they?re sure that The Care wouldn?t mind. I replied to that e?mail and said ?why are you apologizing to me?? They never apologized to Paul or Ian Broudie about the whole event!"

    The bottomline was, told Roque sharply is that, "Orange and Lemons are making it sound as if it?s OK to copy melody of a foreign song then use it in their own song that ironically speaks about Filipinos."

    Roque said she had a hard time believing that the local act did rip?off "Chandeliers." She stressed, "I?ve long heard [of] rumors long before ?Pinoy Ako? became a hit that the song is parehong-pareho ng ?Chandeliers? but of course I did not want to believe because the people from Orange and Lemons are my friends. In fact it was me that firstly introduced them through Pulp magazine and before they were featured, my editor then had to ask me if I really know them. It was quite a struggle before I finally came out with the feature that started their rise."

    Because she had been in constant connection with Simpson, Simpson?s Brit music label Skyray and the label?s representative Nick Halliwell, Roque notified the concerned individuals. "Right now, they are waiting for a move from Warner Chappell?s because they own the rights of the song," Roque revealed.

    Asked why she decided to come out with these allegations, she replied, "Paul is my friend but other than that, I have no stake in this thing. Nothing. I just happen to know the truth and I don?t mind sharing it with people who may have been humming a song they believed [to be] original. You just have to listen to both songs to conclude that it?s a violation of intellectual rights."

    http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2005/10/16/ENTR2005101646835.html

     
  • At Monday, October 31, 2005 3:51:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Archie,
    Thanks for posting these articles here for me.

    Actually, the chief catalysts of OnL's rip off coming out in the open were Giselle Roque and other members in the newwave101 yahoogroups. I guess, if we didn't discuss the case for weeks in the said yahoo list, the rip off would have remained undetected by the masses.

    Giselle is a friend of mine. We're both members of the newwave101 yahoo groups.

    Oh, well. I think I have to move on concerning this OnL scandal.

    I've already done my part; that is, share my own balancely written findings here on my blog site.

    My verdict should speak for itself.

    I now rest my pen as concerns OnL.

    lesjoltq

     
  • At Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Ayon sa egroup nila, WANKER KA kung sabihin mo na ni-rip off yung kanta ng Care, read on!

    message 11681 and 11643:

    Date: Wed Nov 2, 2005  11:38 am
    Subject: Re: [orange and lemons] FOR ASS CRACK, E GROUP, AND THE REST OF YOU CRITICS egrouper123
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    yer full of crap!

    --- sid wrote:

    > I like that! 'Wet people's appetites' ... We open
    > for the Lemons. A
    > sweet band opens with us aswell. We play 3 songs
    > that night to sow
    > the seed and set the scene. No word wot time we
    > play. Get there
    > early I guess. ;) ... OH MY GOD ... YOU'LL NEVER
    > GUESS WOT THEY'RE
    > BLASTIN OUTSIDE MY SHOP ... PINOOOOOY! ...
    > HAHAHAHAHAHA! ...
    > SHHHHH! ... Crack head, Nokia, and Grouper might get
    > their panties
    > in a bunch ... HAHAHAHAHA!
    >
    > --- In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, acid maria
    >
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > u sure know how to whet peoples appetite. ;)
    > > what time's ur gig?
    > >
    > >
    > > TIM
    > >
    > >
    > > sid wrote:
    > > Yeah ;) ... I can't wait to see you there.
    > >
    > > --- In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, marie dela
    > cruz
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > > yah! total chaos! hahaha! cant wait to see it.vL
    > na toh! gweilos
    > > right? now im interested in condo guz and the man
    > named sid.
    > > >
    > > > acid_ankh wrote:this sounds
    > fun.
    > > > marie dude, should we file for a leave on the
    > 9th now? hehe ;)
    > > >
    > > > TIM
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, "sid"
    >
    > > wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Makati baby ;)
    > > > >
    > > > > --- In orangeandlemons@yahoogroups.com, sOLo
    >
    > > wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > kuya bryan! eastwood or makati? :)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > solo
    > > > > >
    > > > > > On 10/26/05, sid wrote:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > IF YOU WANT TO PICK ON A BAND WITH TALENT
    > BECAUSE ITS MORE
    > > > > SENSATIONAL
    > > > > > > TO BRING A GOOD THING DOWN, THEN WHY DON'T
    > YOU FORM YOUR
    > OWN
    > > > > BAND AND
    > > > > > > SHOW THE WORLD HOW GREAT YOU ARE. SHOW US
    > HOW MUSIC IS
    > > SUPPOSED
    > > > > TO BE
    > > > > > > PLAYED. BECAUSE AFTER ALL YOU SURE SOUND
    > LIKE GOD DIED TO
    > > MAKE
    > > > > YOU THE
    > > > > > > MUSIC AUTHORITY OF THE WORLD. THING IS
    > IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
    > > SO
    > > > IF
    > > > > YOU
    > > > > > > WANT TO SEE TRUE GREATNESS CHECK OUT
    > GWEILOS ON THE 9TH OF
    > > NOV.
    > > > > MY
    > > > > > > NAME IS SID. I'LL BE THE GUY BY THE BAR.
    > MY BAND'S NAME IS
    > > > CONDO
    > > > > GUZ.
    > > > > > > SEE YA THERE WANKERS. AND BRING THEM BUM
    > EARS YER MAMA
    > GAVE
    > > YA.

     
  • At Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:37:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Oh well, I've already done my part in this issue; that is, to express awareness about plagiarism in music. I know, of course, that many OnL fans will surely lambast and curse me for what I wrote, but I don't care about them. Besides, I'm on the side of fellow musicians and artists who have the musician's integrity and dignity.

    Lastly, I'm, as always, a believer of "quality before quantity" and "originality over creativity" and "talent before skill" and, most of all, "dignity before popularity."

    pzhdast

    the panmeister

     
  • At Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    nakakalungkot isipin dahil taga-bulacan ako at pinagmamalaki nmin tong ONL dati!!hehehe nung na kay TOTI DALMACION PA CLA!!! INDIE DAW CLA!! Indiehin nila mukha nila!!!

    The guys are pressured because of their sudden fame in the music biz! Much indeed on their musical influence!!! Gusto nilang pagmayabang na NEW WAVE cla!! Pati porma nila!! parang nsa MANCHESTER ENGLAND!!! Turtlenecks ang mga kolokoys!!

    Paano nila ngayon buburahin sa isipan ng mga taga-hanga ang kanilang ginawang kabulastugan! Imposible na hindi nila ginaya un at biglang lumabas lang ang temang musikal sa kanilang areglo!!

    Dapat sa kanila balatan!! The Orange Peel!! aba ripoff din yun ha!

    Riz
    aprilrocket@yahoo.com

    PS. taga Meycauayan, Bulacan ako at kaibigan namin si Clem! DATI! pero ngayon! ewan ko!! Sana HALF LIFE na alng ang umareglo ng theme song ng PBB! Magandang title "TALANGKA!" hehehe. CGE ALFIE!! mabuhay ang Filipino!!

     
  • At Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:38:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Riz,
    Thanks for your words. Yeah,'kakalungkot nga yang mga band stories na ganyan. Nasasayangan ako sa opportunities na dumating sa kanila. I mean, nasa limelight na sila; dapat ginamit nila yung chance na 'yun to make something great for the music scene.

    I've always believed in musicians' and artists' being responsible in a way in molding their audience.

    I just hope that they've learned so much from what they did. Yun nga lang--tama ka--mahirap na talagang maibalik ang lost respect.

    Anyway, malabo na kami gumawa ng PBB theme na 'yan, dahil nandito na ako sa Canada, hehehe. Besides, hindi rin naman malaki ang name ng Half Life Half Death to merit such an offer. Okay na yung nakapag-iwan kami ng ilang songs as legacy.

    Anyway, I and a friend musician are currently arranging and recording a few previously unreleased HLHD songs here. I hope we get to finish this project.

    Till then.

    Thanks for fluttering by my blog site.

    Return from time to time. I'd be posting some more downloadable MP3s.

     
  • At Friday, November 25, 2005 11:02:00 PM, Blogger midicrux said…

    Here's a thought. My husband and I came across a dodgily written book on "business correspondence in english" by another dodgy professor in some low-tier university in the Philippines. That professor lifted the Seven C'S of Communication outright from another source. My husband wrote to one of the authors, who thus replied promptly by quoting Charles Caleb Colton:

    "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Even the quote takes various forms.

    The Philippine alternative rock scene of the nineties' and the early 21st century is a by-product of the "new wave" generation of listeners in the mid-eighties. The likeness in melody and structure cannot be helped; artists generally begin with techniques learned from their influences.

    The trouble is, OnL doesn't quite credit the Care or the other bands you've mentioned above as one of their influences.

    Yet, here are some popular examples: Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan and Alanis Morissette are clearly influenced by the music and vocal qualities of Joni Mitchell and Stevie Nicks. The three don't have to mention it all the time, do they?

    And does anyone remember the catchy "Ice, Ice Baby" being a rip-off of David Bowie and Queen's "Under Pressure"? Well, Brian May did; so Vanilla Ice has lost a lot of money.

    I enjoyed reading this blog entry, and now I know why "Pinoy Ako" and "Hanggang Kailan" couldn't stop playing in my head while I was in Manila; those songs reminded me so much of my freshman high-school days when I was first exposed to Power 105.6, and it's quite amusing to listen to these reprises in one's mother tongue.

    My three cents' worth. :)))

     
  • At Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:05:00 AM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Dear Midicrux,
    Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on the same subject. Yeah, plagiarism is really everywhere. One friend once told me that this couldn't be avoided for the fact that after all the centuries of human creativity and knowledge, almost everything has become a reprisal or a revision or a reproduction or an influence of the older ones.

    But, yeah, you're correct about Tori Amos and the other two, in which they don't have to mention their influences--it's their prerogative. It would be another story with Vanilla Ice. Anyway, he has already paid his due. Add to that, artists like The Verve ("Bittersweet Symphony," whose melody being patterned from a Rolling Stones' song).

    Oh, well, all I can say is, in these current times of information overload, a writer has to be really doubly conscious with his craft and work, lest he might be accused of plagiarism.

    Wow! I, too, was a fan of BM 105. I inevitably turned my dial to it when XB died.

     
  • At Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:20:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hello po! i know you don't know me. kahit nga po ako, ganun din. na-i-direct lang ako dito ng wikipedia tungkol sa reasearch ko about plagiarism and the OnL thingie. i just want to commend your analysis regarding the OnL issue. I was really inspired to start off and, hopefully, finish my reasearch. Fit na fit nga tong blog entry mo para sa baby thesis ko na all about din sa mga ripoff. dont worry, i won't plagiarize your work kahit na juvenile palang ako, hs senior to be exact, i will just use it as a reference.

    you dont know how much help you caused me!! thanks a lot man!

    -Katrina

    PS:
    in case you like an additional web acquaintance, here's my e-mail ad: termiatora_1008@yahoo.com

     
  • At Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:03:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    What a shame!

    Not on OnL pero sa lahat sa inyo na nagmamalinis dyan. Who has shown nerves cursing OnL for a ripof welldone. Magtaas ng kamay if anyone doesnt buy pirated cd's, fake LV bags, forge Nike's or downloads copyrighted material on the net, etc. before. Kayo lang me karapatan.

    As for the rest. Shut the f**k up!

    me research pa kyong nalalaman. Pwe!

    Try spending your time on something objective next time and you'll have me clapping.

    Sorry, I just don't "admire nor appreciate" a crap research work such as this one.

    Support Pinoy ingeniuity then you can call yourselves Pinoy.

    Taiwan does ripoff almost everything they sell (bike parts, electronics so forth) but Taiwanese hardly been critics of their own. There must be something right in their attitude reason why they progress. There must be something wrong in YOUR attitudes that's turning us down.

     
  • At Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:11:00 AM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Dear Anonymous Person,

    SOMEtimes, "anonymosity" plus animosity equals cowardice.

    And by the way, I'm not a Pinoy; I'm a Filipino.

    I stand by my principles.

    And talking about ATTITUDE? I've never been antagonistic and hostile. Your harsh words are.

    So now, who's the lesser human being?

    I close my case. Thank you.

     
  • At Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:17:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Do I just hear someone slowly tip-toeing away from the REAL issue?

    Wasn't exactly the reply I expect. Chill-out anyway!

    Btw, is there such a person as a lesser human being? What are you a racist???

     
  • At Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:26:00 AM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Tiptoeing away?

    Of course, not. Please don't misinterpret me.

    Whatever I wanted and needed to say about the issue I already exhausted in this ponderous article.

    And concerning the "lesser human being," pardon me for using this hyperbole. I didn't mean to offend you or to stir an "antiracism issue."

    I was just hurt with the way you expressed your rebuttal. You didn't even know me personally, but you had the temerity to say "shut the fvck up."

    Again, if only you had read my article in its entirety, you'd have probably understood that I was not putting OnL or others down; I just presented a fact and offered a possible approach.

    I never shove my ideas to others. I just present them and share these with them in the subtlest and most convincing way possible. If I still fail despite my efforts, I don't despair, for I know that there are also others who did get my message across.

    But again, thanks for your reaction. Negative or positive, there're lessons to be learned.

    War, battle, and hostility have never been my intention.

    PS:
    One writer said: "Somehow the personality of a writer is often reflected from her choice of words and how she uses these."

     
  • At Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:16:00 PM, Anonymous MJ said…

    hello! matagal ko nang nabasa ung isyu na to pero ngyn ko lng napakinggan ung chandeliers. when i heard the songs and compared it... napailing nalang ako at natawa (haha!). im so into OnL pa naman ngyon but when i heard the two songs and read the articles denying the plagiarism accusations... i am disappointed to d max! i thought they are so unique pero nde pala. tsk! sayang na sayang! nabawasan tuloy ung respeto ko sa knila. but anyways.. i will still listen to their songs. magsasawa din naman ako eh hehe.

    and hey! what a small world! ur from winterpeg too! so how long uve been here? if u want to hollaback juz email me: jhonelle_14@hotmail.com

     
  • At Monday, May 08, 2006 6:55:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hi. i came across your article while surfing the net for anything on orange & lemons (since they'll be performing for our city - an obscure place in mindanao - fiesta on may 21). i thought i'd read up on the band before coming face to face with them (kahit PA lang po ako sa concert. hehe...) i knew of the supposed rip-off matagal na pero ngayon ko lang narinig ang buong music ng the care. kung ano mang excitement ang nadama ko about their coming over (i like the kind of music they make kasi), nabawasan talaga. however, that won't stop me from getting their autograph. =] your article is well-written, well researched and you succeeded in convincing me with your verdict. (it's a talent and skill i wish to achieve as i am a frustrated writer. hehe...) i think i'll be a regular reader of your blogs. keep up the good work!

    -liza-
    gingoog city, philippines
    izing2@yahoo.com

     
  • At Monday, May 08, 2006 11:50:00 PM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    Liza,
    Thank you very much, not only for agreeing with my "verdict" but more so for appreciating my "skill" in writing.

    Writing just happens to be my passion, which--according to my father--I have since kindergarten. But, the real secret behind this is practice and practice. I write every day and read a diverse choice of books and other reading materials.

    Anyway...concerning OnL. Diminishing your admiration for them is understandable. Of course, they made a grave sin in the area of artistry. But I also understand you for not entirely losing your interest in their music and them. As I said, I, too, still listen to their music. And I believe that, after the mess that they committed--whether they admitted it to the public or not--they learned their lesson. I'm sure that their succeeding works will be made with utmost care.

    And thanks too for becoming a regular readewr of my blog. The best gift a writer could ever have (aside from getting published) is to earn a loyal reader and believer.

    Best regards, Liza.

     
  • At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hi....

    im so glad that you made more investigations and commentaries regarding this plagarized music and whatever...

    i truly admire pinoy band groups,most especially to orange and lemons. i just wanna ask you a question, did you ever interviewed orange and lemons, care, and others in which some songs were almost the same?

    Filipinos are most-talented musicians, so the songs of orange and lemons and other bands were truly be inspired by some british bands.......

    even in 1960's when beatles came to industry, many filipino musicians attracted to them and imitate their style, but does the song imiates the beatles?

    all i should say is........music repeats itself....i its just a fact that a musician thinks a song probably be imitate but not...

    i just wanna congratulate you for you efforts in making this blog!

    keep it up...

     
  • At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:46:00 AM, Anonymous marsha said…

    hi po kuya....

    kumusta na ang araw niyo...

    gusto ko po sanang magtalk tayo ng tagalog kasi... ang hirap mag ingles, e.

    tga canada poh ba kayo

    syanga pala, ako po si marsha tga makati manila poh...

    narinig ko poh yung issue tungkol ng sa bandang orange and lemons sa killer bee.

    yung mga kinanta nila gusto ko, pero bakit ganun.....siguro na-inspire sila....

    galit poh bah kayo sa mga bandang katulad ng orange and lemons...?

    bakit poh ang parokya ni edgar...sa tagal nilang pag gigig na-iplagarized lahat kanta nila, gaya ng "trip" galing sa "creep", yung "picha pie" galing sa "I will surivive" kahit "order taker" galing din sa "toxicity" at "chop suey". bat di mo isinama?

    Wala na ba talagang orginality ang pilipino ngayon?

    Ano po bang kaibahan sa Pinoy at Pilipino?

    Kung ako kaya kuya...kung gagawa ako ng music...kailangan mo pa bang i compare sa ibang music...?

    kahit sa akin opinyon lang, ok din naman sa akin ang mag gaya2x basta hindi lang mapapa-plagarized...

    masama po bang gawa ka ng song tapos hindi mo na pala alam na gaya2x pla yung song?

    basta po ang sa akin lang lahat ng song magaganda...pina-revive lang yan siguro...meron namang iba insperational.......yung iba idolo nila

    cge kuya....wa ka sanang magalit sakin kasi....talagang crush ko yung vocals...........

    syanga pala...marunong bah kayo mag tagalog?

    cge poh

    marsha

     
  • At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:23:00 AM, Blogger eLf ideas said…

    To Anonymous and Marsha,

    Mahilig lang talaga ako sa music--especially New Wave and Alternative Rock music, kaya nagawa ko isulat ang blog entry na 'to.

    Actually, tama ka rin naman sa sinabi mo na, like history, "music repeats itself..."


    Sa dinami-dami na ng mga kantang nagawa ng tao, sa haba na ng panahon na tumakbo mula nang maimbento o madiskubre ang paggawa ng music e, natural lang, na marami na rin ang nagkakahawig. HIndi na rin naman talaga maiwasan yan.

    Of course, hindi ako galit sa OnL at sa kahit anupamang banda. Kumbaga e I just served as a music critic for their works. Kung babasahin naman maige, e binanggit ko naman na gusto ko ang musicality ng OnL. Pinuna ko lang naman e yung "Pinoy Ako" and that's that. At matagal na issue na naman eto. (Look at the date when I wrote this entry.) At nagpaliwanag na naman ang OnL. Okey na 'yon. Besides, they just came out with new songs that are truly commendable at magaganda.

    ...
    About pagkakaiba ng mga ginagawa ng Parokya ni Edgar...ang tawag dito e 'parody' - yung admitted na pinapalitan lang nila yung lyric ng isang kanta at medyo ginagawa nilang humorous. At hindi naman nila dine-deny at undeniable naman dahil yun na yun talaga ang song pattern. Ginagawa rin ito nina Tito, Vic, and Joey, Vincent Dafalong, at Weird Al Yankovic.

    ...
    Pinoy at Pilipino:

    Formally, 'Filipino' na term na gamit natin kung ang pinatutungkulan natin e yung mga tao "Filipino" at pati na rin yung official language natin--"Filipino." Yung Pilipino e lumang salita na 'yan--eto yung dating form ng word na Filipino (with 'F'). Yung 'Pinoy' naman, colloquial kasi yan--kumbaga, salitang di pormal, kaya iniiwasan kong gamitin, malaki kasi ang respeto ko sa bawat language, siguro dahil writer ako, kaya bihirang-bihira ako gumamit ng mga salitang kolokyal o yung tinatawag na "salitang-kanto."

    Kung conversational e okey lang naman; pero kung sa written na ay talagang maingat ako sa pagsusulat at sa paggamit ng mga salita.

    Music influence:
    Malaki naman talaga ang influences ng music sa bawat musicians na bago--or should I say, bawat musician e may impluwensya ng mga nauna sa kanila. Okey lang naman na mahawig yung kanta--di 'to maiiwasan--pero wag lang sana yung sinadya talagang gayahin ang isang kanta na halos yun na talaga at pinalitan lang ang lyric, tapos e hindi aaminin. Kung ide-declare naman ng isang musician na ginawan nya ng version ang isang kanta, e wala namang masama ryan. Wag lang nga yung gagayahin n'ya, tapos e sasabihin na siya mismo ang nag-isip. Di ba hindi maganda ang ganyan?

    ...
    Talented musicians--
    Ang paniniwala ko e hindi naman naiiba ang Filipinos pagdating sa talent sa kahit anung area. We have to think globally and multiculturally. Ang ibig ko sabihin, wag naman natin lagi isipin na ang Filipinos ang pinakamagaling. Of course, sa bawat lahi at kultura, me magagaling at me mga hindi magagaling, me mga mabubuti at me masasama, may mahirap at mayaman. Di ba?

    OO, maraming magagaling na Filipino usicians--original man o imitators--pero marami rin sa ibang lahi--Japanese, British, Americans, Canadians, Africans, Australians, at kung anu-ano pang lahi. Kaya nga lagi akong nagsusulat ng blog entry tungkol sa music ng iba-ibang bansa...para naman maipaalam ko na hindi lang Filipinos, Americans, o British ang maraming na-produce na musicians--kahit anung bansa, syempre e meron. Hindi lang kasi masyado alam sa Pilipinas, generally, ang ibang mga bansa kaya akala ng marami e laging American o British lang pag sinabing foreign.

    ...
    Tinatanong mo kung wala na bang originality ang Filipinos ngayon...

    Hindi tayo dapat lagi mag-gerenalize. Tulad ng sabi ko--kahit anung lahi--may original at merong nanggagaya. Kahit anung panahon e nangyayari yan. Kahit nung panahon pa ng Classical music nung past centuries ago e nangyayari din ang plagiarism o gayahan o nakakahawig ang music. Kahit nung '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, at hanggang ngayon. HIndi na mawawala 'yan. At dahil sa hindi naman natin kayang bilhin ang lahat ng CDs sa mundo, pero syempre maganda rin namang mapakinggan ang iba-ibang music--ang ginagawa ko e, binibili ko yung mga gusto ko talaga at malaki ang respeto ko sa musician o banda o artist--yung iba na hindi ko naman paborito pero gusto ko pa rin e nanghihingi na lang ako ng kopya sa mga kaibigan o nagda-download sa Internet. Marami ring artists na pabor sa pagda-download, lalo na yung mga hindi naman popular sa radio, kasi lalo ngang dumadami ang nakakakilala sa kanila. Kapag nagustuhan ko naman ang na-download ko e hinahanap ko ang original na CD at bumibili ako. Pero tulad nga ng sabi ko, sa dinami-dami ng mga yan e alangan namang bilhin ko lahat yan. Aba kahit ubusin ko sweldo ko sa CDs e hindi ko mabibili lahat yan, di ba?

    ...
    Kung crush mo yung vocalist ng OnL, e good for him...and goof for you, dahil maganda ang may inspiration. At hindi ako ang tipo ng eLf na nagtatanim ng galit, o nagagalit sa mga simpleng bagay lang naman.

    Besides, yung issue ng OnL e napag-usapan na namin ng ilang members ng OnL. Okey na yun. Kumbaga, critic work ko lang yun; naintindihan naman nila. Mas maganda nga ang may pumupuna lagi sa gawa natin, kasi nalalaman natin kung ano ang dapat nating ipagpatuloy, at kung alin naman ang hindi pala maganda ang dating sa maraming tao. Sa huli e tayo pa rin naman ang magtitimbang sa mga desisyon natin.

    Kung gagawa ka ng kanta, good. Music making is a great hobby. Okey lang na may magaya ka sa umpisa, but as you go on and grow as a musician or an artist e naniniwala ako na magkakaroon at magkakaroon ka ng sarili mong style--not necessarily na walang kagaya, pero as much as possible e wala namang ginayang ibang kanta na sinadyang gayahin talaga.

    O ayan, nasagot ko, Marsha, ang tanong mo...

    Kung marunong akong mag-Filipino. HIndi na 'Tagalog' ang term na dapat na ginagamit natin kung official Philippine language ang pinag-uusapan--Filipino na dapat.

    O s'ya...kung may panahon ka e basahin mo ang entry ko about Filipino versus Tagalog...

    ang inyong likod,
    aLfie

     
  • At Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:14:00 AM, Blogger Diehard said…

    good day ... im ariel of manila...im a new wave cd collector..
    comment lang ako sa ORANGE and LEMONS because we heard them over the radio on the Anniversary of 103.5 KLITE about their new wave segment " Faster Than Lite" in Manila with THE DAWN.... ORANGE AND LEMONS PLay almost the songs of THE SMITH and THE CARE....

     
  • At Friday, December 22, 2006 3:00:00 AM, Anonymous Seishiro said…

    I'm never a follower of mainstream music except for the really famous ones. I most of the times listen to my old and outdated Japanese pop songs. Anyway, since Pinoy Ako was famous, it couldn't help but get into my ears. I instantly liked the song. It's melody was addictive, McCoy's voice was extremely great!

    However, I wasn't aware of the controversy until a few months after Christmas 2005, and I only recently heard Care's Chandeliers. Except perhaps for the tempo and the longer intro, the two songs are extremely alike.

    Like you, I will continue to follow Orange and Lemons' success because I'm a confessed fan of McCoy Fundales' singing. Although, I'd recommend they'd stay to renditions of other famous songs (like Yakap sa Dilim and Huwag Kang Matakot) because I think that's where they're good at. *snickers*

    If ever you correspond to Mr. Fundales, send him my well wishes.

     
  • At Friday, February 02, 2007 12:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Rolly here,

    Akala ko ako lang nakakaalam, I am not reading news kasi... pakiramdam ko kasi, over cooked and exagerated mga news ngayon... so talaga di na ako nakikialam. I have that Care song since HS palang ako, New Waver din kasi ako, I burn my allowance dati going to BM105 and NU107... So nung narinig ko yung OnL version, nasabi ko nalang sa sarili ko, what else is new? Gaya-gaya!

    Hehehe

    Pero hindi ito ang pinunta ko dito, ask ko lang sana kung sino may kopya ng lyrics ng Whirlpool Heart ng The Wild Swan.. nasa ulo ko kasi ang song pero wala na yung tape ko... kung may sino may alam kung saan ako makaka kuha ng kopya ng Bringing Home the Ashes and Space Flower albums nila, tatanawin kong malaking utang na loob...

    Salamat...

    rhavecilla@yahoo.com

     
  • At Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The problem I have with pinoy artists is that they have no concept of originality whatsoever, therefore, the lack of identity. You mentioned Filipino pride and creativity? Not all can be geniuses but pride and creativity does not play in the pinoy talent gene pool. Sorry na lang, I cite examples especially ABS-CBN's TFC's weekly ASAP (or ASAR in my case).

    Whatever happened to the OPM (original Pilipino Music) when I harken back to the good old days.

    Peace Vince

     
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